Discussion:
[WiX-devs] Future coolness (was RE: Windows Nano server)
Rob Mensching
2015-04-15 17:00:25 UTC
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Changing title.

I don't understand that question. WiX is a build tool, not an installation engine.

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From: Tunney, Stephen [mailto:***@nuance.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [WiX-devs] Windows Nano server

So on the subject of "future coolness";

Are there plans for translating WiX declarative XML into OneGet/Chocolatey/NuGet packages as well?
Stephen Tunney
2015-04-15 17:24:46 UTC
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My apologies,

With respect to Chocolatey
WiX would generate a .nuspec (perhaps) that could do all of the things that
MSIs do today (perhaps with some limitation, though I can't think of any).

This would allow the WiX xml to generate MSIs, .nuspec, and allow the user
to pick their delivery vehicle.

Just as a side note, I looked at the Google Chrome chocolatey package, and
it is a thin wrapper around... their MSI !! :)
Post by Rob Mensching
Changing title.
I don’t understand that question. WiX is a build tool, not an installation
engine.
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John Cooper
2015-04-15 17:37:29 UTC
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Chocolately was discussed during the MVA session I attended (with much enthusiasm). Basically, it provides a NuGet derived wrapper around an APPX to get some of the functionality (particularly dependency resolution) that APPX won’t give you by itself.

So, if I can make an APPX with Wix tools, I can easily wrap it in Chocolately.
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From: Stephen Tunney [mailto:***@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 12:25 PM
To: WiX toolset developer mailing list
Subject: Re: [WiX-devs] Future coolness (was RE: Windows Nano server)

My apologies,

With respect to Chocolatey
WiX would generate a .nuspec (perhaps) that could do all of the things that MSIs do today (perhaps with some limitation, though I can't think of any).

This would allow the WiX xml to generate MSIs, .nuspec, and allow the user to pick their delivery vehicle.

Just as a side note, I looked at the Google Chrome chocolatey package, and it is a thin wrapper around... their MSI !! :)


On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 at 13:01 Rob Mensching <***@firegiant.com<mailto:***@firegiant.com>> wrote:
Changing title.

I don’t understand that question. WiX is a build tool, not an installation engine.

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From: Tunney, Stephen [mailto:***@nuance.com<mailto:***@nuance.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:50 AM
To: WiX toolset developer mailing list
Subject: Re: [WiX-devs] Windows Nano server

So on the subject of “future coolness”;

Are there plans for translating WiX declarative XML into OneGet/Chocolatey/NuGet packages as well?
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Rob Mensching
2015-04-15 17:42:57 UTC
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Ahh. Well, that’s possible today with prototype work in Simplified WiX.

Now, IMHO, NuGet and nupkg’s as they are today aren’t terribly compelling installation technologies. It’s basically, drop a bunch of files and run a custom PowerShell script. That’s 1980s based-installation technology that brought us all kinds of hell when it “got big” (which none of these NuGet based systems are yet). However, that’s not to say the world won’t keep changing (Innovator’s Dilemma and all that) so I’m staying abreast of the technologies as they change


With that said, we’re in the middle of a very large transition right now. The world is going to get chaotic for a while. It’ll be interesting but don’t let the hipster-programmers tell you that the fundamentals don’t matter. They don’t stick to one project long enough to feel the pain of the systems they built. <smile/>

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From: Stephen Tunney [mailto:***@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 10:25 AM
To: WiX toolset developer mailing list
Subject: Re: [WiX-devs] Future coolness (was RE: Windows Nano server)

My apologies,

With respect to Chocolatey
WiX would generate a .nuspec (perhaps) that could do all of the things that MSIs do today (perhaps with some limitation, though I can't think of any).

This would allow the WiX xml to generate MSIs, .nuspec, and allow the user to pick their delivery vehicle.

Just as a side note, I looked at the Google Chrome chocolatey package, and it is a thin wrapper around... their MSI !! :)


On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 at 13:01 Rob Mensching <***@firegiant.com<mailto:***@firegiant.com>> wrote:
Changing title.

I don’t understand that question. WiX is a build tool, not an installation engine.

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From: Tunney, Stephen [mailto:***@nuance.com<mailto:***@nuance.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [WiX-devs] Windows Nano server

So on the subject of “future coolness”;

Are there plans for translating WiX declarative XML into OneGet/Chocolatey/NuGet packages as well?
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John Cooper
2015-04-15 17:47:53 UTC
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Strongly agreed. Particular when they won’t discuss weaknesses. Every technology has them.

When somebody denies a technology has weaknesses, I get really worried and I look very hard to find them.

Used to write those scripted tarballs—well I remember.
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From: Rob Mensching [mailto:***@firegiant.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 12:43 PM
To: WiX toolset developer mailing list
Subject: Re: [WiX-devs] Future coolness (was RE: Windows Nano server)

Ahh. Well, that’s possible today with prototype work in Simplified WiX.

Now, IMHO, NuGet and nupkg’s as they are today aren’t terribly compelling installation technologies. It’s basically, drop a bunch of files and run a custom PowerShell script. That’s 1980s based-installation technology that brought us all kinds of hell when it “got big” (which none of these NuGet based systems are yet). However, that’s not to say the world won’t keep changing (Innovator’s Dilemma and all that) so I’m staying abreast of the technologies as they change


With that said, we’re in the middle of a very large transition right now. The world is going to get chaotic for a while. It’ll be interesting but don’t let the hipster-programmers tell you that the fundamentals don’t matter. They don’t stick to one project long enough to feel the pain of the systems they built. <smile/>

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From: Stephen Tunney [mailto:***@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 10:25 AM
To: WiX toolset developer mailing list
Subject: Re: [WiX-devs] Future coolness (was RE: Windows Nano server)

My apologies,

With respect to Chocolatey
WiX would generate a .nuspec (perhaps) that could do all of the things that MSIs do today (perhaps with some limitation, though I can't think of any).

This would allow the WiX xml to generate MSIs, .nuspec, and allow the user to pick their delivery vehicle.

Just as a side note, I looked at the Google Chrome chocolatey package, and it is a thin wrapper around... their MSI !! :)

On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 at 13:01 Rob Mensching <***@firegiant.com<mailto:***@firegiant.com>> wrote:
Changing title.

I don’t understand that question. WiX is a build tool, not an installation engine.

_______________________________________________________________
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From: Tunney, Stephen [mailto:***@nuance.com<mailto:***@nuance.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:50 AM
To: WiX toolset developer mailing list
Subject: Re: [WiX-devs] Windows Nano server

So on the subject of “future coolness”;

Are there plans for translating WiX declarative XML into OneGet/Chocolatey/NuGet packages as well?
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Mike Birtwistle
2015-06-17 09:24:12 UTC
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Now, IMHO, NuGet and nupkg’s as they are today aren’t terribly compelling
installation technologies. It’s basically, drop a bunch of files and run a
custom PowerShell script.
http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Ignite/2015/BRK2461

A good over view from 0:27:00 of the windows server refactoring effort
(Nanoserver), and the implication for installation tool chains.

Importantly *NanoServer does not include the windows installer stack!*, so
'drop files and run Core Powershell (based on CoreCLR .Net APIs only)' is
pretty much all you have available by default.

On the plus side, an installation technology that works on Nanoserver will
work on all the Windows Server vNext SKUs

So a translator the converts WIX xml into Core Powershell (and warns you
when you are using features not available) would help people understand just
what is and isn't possible.




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